See the flame color temperature chart below. Seriously it's so back lit so we can't tell what the burner's doing till it reaches about medium orange and not much then, seriously I have a better view of the trees through the forge than the flame. Step 1. Another thing for the to do list. I have seen the pilot on lots of other gas log sets and they're usually around 1/2 inch to maybe 1 inch. The choke gives you control over the primary air and it's usually best to have all primary air to give maximum control. The burner port leaves about 1/4 inch of space around burner flair. Upload or insert images from URL. Video of the Day Volume 0% But if the burner is out of adjustment, the gas flame will be yellow. You Ran for about 3 hours solid without any hiccups! I cover it up with a fire brick when not in use. Adjust gas pressure to get a steady flame.Open the choke plate about 3/4 the way. In the case of propane kitchen ranges and house furnaces, adjustment of the flame should be performed by an appliance professional only. You might have received more suggestions/views, if this was posted in the gas forges section. Turn off gas to the appliance according to the manufacturer's directions. Light a wooden kitchen match or a spark ignitor. Along with hacking a propane torch to get more BTU’s, I’ll also show how to build a DIY forge burner with parts easily found on Amazon or at a hardware store. Measuring from 0-60 psi, it lets users control their heat with a precise level of accuracy Been spending my few spare hours after work trying to figure out technique but I'll be soaking in some time getting to know the forums. I've browsed parts of the forum via google search results (mostly on forge construction, and trying to comprehend the basics of combustion) but I have not really done a deep dive yet. They are usually found on the front of kitchen and camping stoves, on the top of propane heaters, and just below the glass mantles of propane lanterns. LPG blue flame colour burns 20°C higher than a natural gas blue flame colour. The precise location of this control varies by manufacturer. More complex appliances, such as propane kitchen stoves and furnaces, have electronic ignition devices requiring no input from a user. If you wanted a smaller or larger flame … Make sure you check for gas leaks, and be aware that items … As things get hotter, the speed that the flamefront burns through the mixture becomes faster. If you have a 1/2" of blue flame, that's way too much. Coleman: Troubleshooting Coleman stove that lights with a large yellow flame, Texsport: Instructions: Mantle Propane Lantern, Propane 101: LP Gas Furnace Installation, Service, and Repair. Turning up the gas pressure once the forge starts heating up will increase the mixture speed down the burner tube and (hopefully) will keep it above the flamefront speed with a hot forge. Any thoughts on where I might be going wrong here? A classic solid fuel forge, making use of coal and air flow to provide sufficient heat for the forging of metal. Coleman Canada: Propane Stove: Instructions for Use: Lighting, p 6. Then you get to the 10 seconds that count and you start moving the camera around wildly so we can't see what's happening. Once in the tube, the tube heats up and the flame speed gets even higher. Looks like an amazing concentration of knowledge here. Not having enough experience to know what info's valuable and not, I just posted what I shot, hoping maybe the before/after with the sound would be telling. Take a look at the latest page in Burners 101 to find a warning against using ceramic fiber to completely stop secondary air induction in some burners that need some of it to burn completely. I've been doing this for around 6-7 months so my knowlege is pretty limited. Most propane gas forges operate between 2,300°F and 2,700°F. That last class was the catalyst into blacksmithing. December 9, 2018 in Gas Forges. If you drop hot steel on a rubber propane hose, you will not like it all! Great instructors all around there. Adjusting the mixture (by moving the choke) can reduce the flame speed (both the flame temperature and the flame speed are highest at, or close to, the stoichiometric mixture), but this will also reduce the flame temperature. To adjust the air gas mixture : 1. The flame for this torch is around 6-10 inches long. Thanks again for sharing more detail. Look at them before sending and maybe make another video say in a dimly lit space or outdoors in the evening against a dark backdrop. Wait a minute for the flame to settle in and see if you still have a yellow flame. It is also a good idea to cover the gas line with some flexible conduit. Please make videos worth the time and yes, money. Please, videos are a LOT of bandwidth and some of Iforge's members are still on dial up connections in more remote parts of the world and it costs them money. Use the fuel control knob to either raise or lower the height of the flame and to ensure it remains the correct color. If ignition does not occur in 5 seconds, turn the propane off, wait 5 minutes, and repeat the lighting process. Hello everyone, I have no idea if I am in the correct forum for this or not because this is my first time, but I picked what I thought was closest. It's working great (as far as I can tell) now after some adjustments. The major portion of the flame should be an electric blue color with only a hint of yellow or orange at its tip. I wanted to see if the experts on this forum might catch any red flags that may be causing combustion issues with my forge. Using silica sand in a propane fireplace can limit the amount of propane that rises to the surface and decrease the size of the flames. Turn on the propane and light with a bbq lighter. Is it? Gas grill burners will have some sort of air adjustment at the end of the burner where the burner meets the valve orifice. Opening the choke re-establishes a fuel/air mixture and this reaches the hot chamber where it ignites and the flamefront travels back into the burner tube. The ORIGINAL HELLS FORGE BRAND ~ MADE IN THE USA! Proper operation of a propane stove, heater, lantern or other device includes regulation of the flame height and color to ensure nearly complete combustion. Pete Resseguie-Snyder, Even with the occasional problems, I'm having blast learning this craft. I cant keep a flame on mine unless its in the forge, it seems to need the backpressure from the forge to keep the flame in control. A … The mild steel I was heating barely got beyond an orange heat, not the yellow I am used to forging at.   Your previous content has been restored. Did you watch the video before posting it here? The problem starts 3 mins, 10 secs in: I built this based mostly on the David Hammer Super C Forge and burner design (minus the side access slot). Learn More If the flame is noisy and appears to be floating off the burner the air shutter should be adjusted for less air flow. Will research, thank you. My first experience with the forge was not very satisfying. I use a ball valve to adjust the air and like it. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Closing the choke starves the flame of Oxygen and the flame goes out. Turn the setscrew clockwise to reduce air flow mixing with gas. You need to adjust your fuel/oxy ratio to make the flame hotter and it wil be closer to the tip, maybe a 1/4" of blue would be correct. I did plug the burner port more effectively than before. I've figured out the how for constructing the forge and burner. For example, turn off a Williams Blue Flame Unvented Gas Heater by pushing in the appliance's gas control knob lightly and turning it clockwise to the "Off" position. Move the gas jet in and out (if possible with the burner you have), to get the smoothest flame. Did a sculpture/welding class there a few years before the center was officially established, then took a rustic folders class that my wife got me as a gift a little over a year ago. Mine seems to be to be way out of whack. If you do, repeat the process until the yellow is almost eliminated. Thanks for the welcome, the feedback and thanks for giving it a go with my crap video. I split the angle and tightened down the set screws. Regarding the choke, honestly did not initially have/use a choke until these problems started. Used some kaowool for that which I'm a little concerned with; I know it shouldn't get hot enough there to breakdown, but still... Maybe some rigidizer wouldn't hurt? The precise location of this control varies by manufacturer. Yeah, Arc and Flame is a priceless resource.   Pasted as rich text.   You cannot paste images directly. Also use a long round file to smooth and clean the interior of the burner tube, same for the jet tube prior to mounting it. I had about a 20 degree angle from where it was obvious the gas was hitting the side of the burner tube on the top to where it was hitting on the bottom. Instead of burning wood in a fireplace, some homeowners choose to install fireplace logs fueled by natural gas or propane. Since then, Kerr has contributed content to military-related magazines, not-for-profit websites and other online media.   Your link has been automatically embedded. Measure Your Pressure - The pressure gauge to determine and regulate your propane PSI. Watch the flame as you add fiber, to be sure you don't go too far. The pilot light on my propane gas logs seems very long to me and as a result I suspect it's wasteful too. I'll be sure to close the garage door if I ever decide to troubleshoot in the future. Remove any constricting rim or rough projections in the throat with a round file. Perfect for Forged In Fire fans. The ANVIL High Performance Burner is designed with a fixed pressure regulator and fixed air damper. Thank you Tim for that excellent summary. Don't know if I need to tune the burner, if there are issues with my refractory, or something else that I might not have considered. What makes a propane torch burn hotter? https://www.rocafc.com/pages/blacksmithing. The way my forge is set up, there is a 4" x 6" slot cut level with the deck inside the forge. The flame is over 2 inches long and probably closer to 2 1/2 inches. HellCote 3000 refractory cement and firebricks included with all models. Thank you for any input you might have. By I let it cool for about 15 mins to capture the transition. In order to build this forge burner, You will need a drill, a set of bits, and a couple of files. This was using the blower at full out speed and adjusting the volume of propane for the best flame. Control The Flame - It allows you to adjust the pressure to control the flame intensity and turn your grill, turkey fryer, or other appliance up to any temperature. Turn on the propane stove, grill, furnace, heater or lantern using the appliance's fuel knob or flame adjuster control. It's not that easy to tell with the camera moving about and stuff, but what I think is happening is this: You start with a cold forge and a certain mixture speed through the burner tube. Needs More Air. Tighten the screw and relight the grill. My friend and I converted an old natural gas fired brass melting furnace to a 3 burner propane forge and it won’t get hot enough for welding or even hot enough for thicker steel. Make sure that the area around the forge is free of combustible materials. Obviously this has to be done in such a way as to not ignite the place. They are usually found on the front of kitchen and camping stoves, on the top of propane heaters, and just below the glass mantles of propane lanterns. Try cleaning the jet of any waxy residue from the propane, it SOUNDS like it's running a little rich due to low jet velocity. Propane gas is a cheap, clean and efficient cooking and heating fuel. Propane Forge Double Burner is pre-tuned to develop a natural flame and nozzle is designed to increase the burner efficiency. Susan Kerr began her writing career as a food columnist in 1987 before moving to business journalism as a reporter and managing editor in the Penn State area. Casting vs. smithing with a gas forge Click to see full answer I get less time if I run it hotter. Be sure the flare, or straight nozzle, is adjusted correctly in conformance with the tuning instructions. Used for everything from lighting an outdoor campsite to heating homes and industries, propane is a fuel that is also very safe when handled correctly. Hopefully over time I'll be able to contribute a thing or two. It has been running stable for months, but now after running for around 30 mins, the point of combustion shifts from the interior of the forge, to the end of the flair (about 1 inch inside the refractory). You may be onto something with jet velocity and cleaning. Ask a friend to describe the flame color and intensity in your Heat-n-Glo fireplace to help with your adjustments. It’s about 18 inches deep and maybe 10 inches high inside. Simond Store Double Burner Oval Knife Making Gas Forge. Ah, thanks for the tip. I would use 5 to 10 # propane and 20 to 30 # oxy to cut 1/4" material. I also aimed the burner a little more towards the floor of the forge in case it was catching the refractory lining the burner port. Finally, capping off our list is this double … The forge is small enough that I can run the burner at under 5 psi and keep the interior at a good working temperature.However, this burner design does work well in larger forges, many large forges even use multiple burners. Turn on the gas and ignite the burner. Note the color and shape of the propane's flame. And then show you a budget-friendly done for you burner with regulator that is cheaper than what you can buy the parts for! At about 3 min 10 sec, the flame speed became faster than the mixture speed and the flame travelled back into the burner tube. It serves as additional exhaust and as a place a long workpiece can fit through. Anyway, thanks again for the assistance! An air choke valve is present on the top of burner which regulates the amount of air that is mixed with the propane during combustion. I'd try to eliminate any gaps between the burner and the forge as far as possible: any air getting in there (secondary air) is air you have no control over. Not familiar with NYSDB just yet. I have recently built a 3 burner propane forge 8X12X24 long and I am having a bit of a problem. The furnace has the heavy type fire brick lining it’s interior. Apply the match's flame to the fuel outlet. Some thoughts on using the LPG (propane) forge, is it not meant to be a definitive guide and it is to be used at your own risk. Routine Inspection It’s vital for your safety that you routinely inspect your forge. Insert a flat-blade screwdriver into the setscrew on the right side of the valve and twist counterclockwise to increase the gas-to-air ratio. Gas burners burn blue if the ratio of fuel to air is correct. I did a complete teardown of my burner, cleaned everything and retuned it, moving the flair tube forward a little more than 1/4 inch further than before. And maybe consider applying a bit more production value. Bear in mind that's JUST a guess. Welcome aboard Pete, glad to have you. If you should notice that you have no flame, a yellow flame or burner blows out, you will probably need to adjust the air mixture. Once you get a proper regulator, you can dial down on that flame and save you arm hair. You can post now and register later. There is actually a lot more going on in a gas forge than most smiths realize. I've read quite a bit about forge assembly, but might need to read more about forge maintenance. A yellow flame can be the cause of a bad air to gas ratio. What was the purpose of closing and opening the choke? All is fine because the mixture is moving along the tube faster than the flamefront can burn through the mixture towards the burner. Before shooting the video, I has run for a little over 30 mins. Nothing stops use from using some fiber part way around the burner to reducer excess secondary air induction, but don't over do it. Don't know if it tells a story, but cutting off the oxygen then cranking it back on kind of "reset" proper combustion, at least some of the time until the forge got really hot. A flame containing too much yellow indicates incomplete combustion that wastes fuel and presents a carbon monoxide hazard. Hells Forge Propane Gas Double Single and MAX Burner Units for Blacksmithing, Bladesmithing, Knifemaking, Farrier Forge Tools, Large size provides max workspace. Honestly, you do NOT absolutely need a regulator but, you will find it near impossible to control the flame with a ball valve. Paste as plain text instead, × The materials in the forges, mainly the refractory cement is typically rated for 3,000°F for a bit of wiggle room. If using a built-in spark ignitor incorporated into a kitchen stove, a house furnace, certain outdoor cooking grills, or a portable heater, the propane should ignite automatically. valve on your propane tank and light. I like running the torch around 6-8 psi and adjust as needed. A piece of cement board makes a good surface to set the forge on. The blacksmith’s forge is an essential component of the blacksmithing trade, and could even be considered the very heart of the metal working process. Display as a link instead, × Let’s get to it! Once lit, controlling the ambiance and amount of heat produced is a matter of adjusting the flame of the fireplace gas logs. × Excited to learn more about why it works (or occasionally doesn't). In addition, she writes a weekly column for her hometown newspaper, PhotoObjects.net/PhotoObjects.net/Getty Images. With complete combustion, an LPG (Propane) gas burns with a blue flame and burns at a temperature of around 1,980°C, as noted on the flame color temperature chart. The best flame is achieved in the same manner as adjusting an acetylene torch. I'm back in business for now. To adjust the flame, … Here I am adjusting the jet to shoot straight down the burner tube. It's true acet is quicker, but used properly propane isn't much slower. The best I can do at this point is guess judging by the sound. Clear editor. This forum is an invaluable well of knowledge. However, with a bit of adjustments and the right airflow, it can be possibly to reach higher temperatures if necessary. If you don't know about them already, you have some additional other great resources here in Rochester:  the NYSDB group (http://www.nysdb.org/) and Arc and Flame (https://www.rocafc.com/pages/blacksmithing). Turn on the propane stove, grill, furnace, heater or lantern using the appliance's fuel knob or flame adjuster control. I do sincerely appreciate it. Turning up the gas pressure once the forge starts heating up will increase the mixture speed down the burner tube and (hopefully) will keep it above the flamefront speed with a hot forge. I shot a quick video demonstrating the issue. A gas flame should be about 1″ to 1.5″ long and should be blue with a white/yellow tip. The same goes for the power cord to the blower. If the problem doesn't occur till 3:10 into the video why make us download and sit through 3 minutes of video for no discernible reason? If the flame is too yellow the air shutter probably needs to be opened more. 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